Replies to my recent post about Virtual Illegalities, and reading this very entertaining item (“Vaginas with teeth and other sexual myths“), got me thinking about what we can learn from Second Life about sexual “perversions” and “deviance”. This post brings together a lot of thoughts I’ve expressed over previous blog entries, specifically as they relate to sexualities and adult freedoms in a virtual world. I find the more you write and get feedback on such topics, the more it helps you understand both the reality, and your own view of that reality, so as usual I’d love to get your feedback on what follows.
In Second Life adults find a safe outlet for experimenting with sexual acts and preferences they may have never followed through with in real life. In turn, it also provides a way to live out sexual preferences that you may have always had in real life but not been able to take part in due to your own or others fears and prejudices. Those may include acts which are still deemed illegal or immoral in the real world – the extremes being bestiality, paedophilia, and rape. What makes those the taboo extremes is the lack of meaningful consent by all parties involved. And that seems like a very reasonable and logical line to draw.
A world like Second Life though provides a way to overcome that moral and legal restriction, because the consent of the other party is either irrelevant (because it isn’t a sentient being playing the role of the dog etc), or because it is a consenting adult after-all who is going along with the act (the rape, for example).
The consideration that always feeds into this debate is whether allowing such things either encourages it in the real world, or stops the act being followed through in the real world. Beyond those interesting questions though, you have to be ready to ask if the answers even matters, since the virtual act itself is just that: virtual. And between consenting adults.
There are plenty of other sexual “perversions” though that people find sick and disturbing for reasons apart from missing consent – usually because they deem the act as degrading or mentally harmful. For example, the sub and dom culture that thrives in Second Life, is seen by many as a distasteful and disturbing pass-time that reveals either cruelty or deficient weakness in the participants. It is not surprising that those sexual cultures defend their activities, but at the end of the day it’s nothing to do with everyone else anyway since they are, after-all, consenting adults.
Another piece of the puzzle when trying to work out how we feel about and respond to such “deviances” is whether the people involved “chose” the preference. For example, the fact that many homosexuals didn’t choose to be attracted to their own sex, is seen by some as the “redeeming” feature that means we must learn to accept it. However this strikes me as completely the wrong focus. I have discussed in a previous post that whether you choose your sexuality is irrelevant – as long as the act is between consenting adults, everything else is people getting their sticky-beaks where they don’t belong. It is not up to us to criminalise or condemn people for doing what they want with their own bodies.
Which brings us to the question of harm. Most liberals ascribe to a theory of paternalism – trying to protect people from themselves. They either claim to know what is best for you and therefore deny you the right to choose it yourself (and that hardly requires me to point out how flawed it is, I hope!). Or they claim that the very fact you choose to do an act with is harmful (physically or mentally) means your consent is vitiated and deemed flawed in some essential way; that you have thereby already provided proof that you are not mentally sound or competent to make such decisions for yourself.
The beauty of Second Life is it degrades at least some of these paternalistic complaints – particularly in regards to physically hurting yourself (say through bondage). People will still try to tell you you are mentally damaging yourself but at least in-world they can not stop you by physical force or by threatening your real world reputation. Second Life provides a haven from the do-goody paternalism which deems free consenting acts between adults as morally repugnant, which forces people in the real-world to live in denial and have unfulfilled sex-lives.
My hope is that through Second Life we can come to accept the huge variety of sexual acts and preferences, and realise that what matters is the consent between adults. That we can reflect on the really very large numbers of people who do what we have labeled perverse or deviant in the past (be it masturbation, sub-dom, scat-love, etc), and start to realise that it is too wide-spread to be given such labels, that in fact it is just part of our repertoire of sexual experiences that help us explore and enjoy our own and others bodies.
We’ve come a long way from seeing sex as something dirty, and masturbation as something that will make your palms hairy and make you go blind. The anonymity from our real world selves that we find in virtual worlds, helps us explore and discover not just our true selves, but others too. We don’t have to personally like and partake in the huge varieties of sexual acts out there – allowing such acts doesn’t mean anyone’s going to force you or your child to become or do something they don’t want to. Taking part in what we currently may still view and label as deviant acts, doesn’t make you different or evil or stupid, and as we interact and talk openly with such people who have different tastes than us, in the international adult universe of Second Life, that becomes clearer. One hopes.
Issues such as how we feel about Linden Labs cleaning up the adult world in Second Life – sanitising it to accord more with our dominant real world morals and laws – forces us to think about where we stand on these issues. So what about you, where do you stand on such issues, and how has Second Life changed your attitudes towards sexual perversions and deviances..? Has it perhaps cemented your hatred and intolerance of such deviance and perversion? And either way, why has that change in attitude happened..?

You start turning me into a commenter…
First in an answer to your question:
My attitude towards so-called perversions and taboos has not changed because of Second Life.
Since the day I am able to think I have always had the opinion that it is not up too me to judge one for their feelings and desires. I do not understand many fetishes and desires, but likely I have some things that get my mojo going that others don’t understand. We all have our own preferences. One likes to have someone nibbling on their ears, the other likes to be in bondage gear.
That I do not understand it does not make it wrong.
And in some cases I am willing to talk with people about it, to try to understand it more.
In some cases it disgusts me and I prefer to stay away from it.
But that does not mean I can not accept it.
It also does not mean people involved in those practices can’t be friends.
I do draw a line, and as one can read in my replies on your Virtual Illegalities post, this is where there is no meaningful consent of all parties involved. This for me automatically goes for any minor and any person/animal incapable to speak (bestiality, necrophilia, but also for example sexual activities with people who suffer a mental disease), but it does not stop there necessarily.
You pointed out that there is a common thought of slaves in a BDSM relationship to be weak. Likely this is true in several cases, just as likely as it is not true in several other cases.
It is, I think, quite difficult if not impossible, for anyone not being that person self to see whether or not we can speak of ‘meaningful consent’, when it regards an adult supposedly in good health.
So, where do we go from here?
Though I am far from the one to judge, what I try to do in my personal circle is to continue to communicate with the people dear too me. Ask them about their relationships but also how they feel in general.
And if I get any sign that something may be ‘wrong’ (as in becoming a slave out of weakness and the likes) I will confront the person with that in a decent conversation.
I will explain my worries and hoping to either cause the person to think and realise or to get an explanation that I am wrong.
Third option would be that I am told to shut up, which is fair enough as well, considering they are adults.
We have no right to judge, but true friends will appreciate honest concern.
Now I am trying to give this comment a twist into SL, but I don’t think that is really what this post is about.
Other than that likely for many they have been confronted with feelings and desires of other humans that they never even thought of since they joined SL.
(How many people were familiar with a Gorean lifestyle before they joined SL?)
On the decisions of LL on the Adult Continent.
I am not in favour of it and mainly because of the verification required to enter Ursula (isn’t that the name they gave it?).
I can imagine for several people SL is a way to explore and experience desires that are not accepted in their FL environment, homosexuality being the easy and clear example.
I can understand the fear for a person in such a situation that with verifying their family (and whomever more) will find out and they lose their outlet. Even if this fear might be irrational, I do understand it.
LL requires us to be 18 or over when joining SL, believe we even have to tick a box somewhere or something, isn’t that legally enough to prevent lawsuits and whatever more from parents/guardians of minors, as the minors were exposed to whatever?
Sure, I don’t live in the illusion that no kids will sign up because of this, but who is to be held accountable for that?
Wouldn’t that be the minor in question and his/her parents/guardians? What happened to keeping an eye on what your kid is doing?
Since day 1 (as far as I know) SL is meant for adults and it is stated quite clearly.
Well, can’t we adults decide ourselves what we want to be exposed too?
I don’t see the need, other than perhaps bringing it together so you don’t accidentally stumble upon it if you don’t want too (tho that never happens too me, but I can’t recall the day I was on mainland…).
Oh well, my comment is going out of control and I should end it here.
In short my opinion:
- Don’t judge on someone’s feelings.
- As long as there is meaningful consent from all the people involved, it is none of your business.
- If you are seriously concerned you should sure express that, but in a respectful manner.
- Screw the decisions about Ursula (who came up with that name?).
- We should be 18 to begin with and we all said we were, so what’s the worry? I don’t think LL nor anyone inworld can be held responsible for minors being inworld as they have said they were 18 or older (tho I don’t know US law, might work different).
Btw, would you have to verify as well to get your genitalia as soon as this is all enforced? Would be somewhat odd, weird enough not to be ‘born’ with it already… But I think it is a basic avatar right to have access to genitalia, or not?
Not that we have any rights, given SL is privately held, but still…
After Miskat throghfully comment I have little to add, only something that worries me:
One of the sides of the D/s relations is that many times, it happens in public. Even without going so far, it is exciting to behaving naughtly in a public place (like a night train at RL *winks*).
Out of respect you can try to avoid it, as you do by not wearing skimpy clothes at some places, but sometimes simply happens, and sometimes happens on us. When I assisted to some newbie classes at Teazer’s University (at those old times when SL sponsored education) one of my teachers was a sub, and I clearly remember how uneasy (and also, somehow thrilled :-p) I felt when she talked about herself in third person.
That’s what I like this post, since it makes clear that the problem isn’t “simply” a breach of etiquette, in a place where it is so hard to define it, but involving in your play people who didn’t consent previously.
It is nice to know clearly why something feels wrong, and more when you know you will still do it from time to time *smiles*.
Catching up on Lands’ postings, I’m really enjoying Miskat’s comments (as well as the postings themselves, of course!). It’s a rare gift to be able to say complicated and nuanced things so straightforwardly.
I’m with everyone else here
probably. Our first assumption should be that if everyone involved is consenting adults, then it’s none of our business. It’s not impossible that sometimes there are side-effects or special circumstances that might justify us in sticking our noses in in one way or another, but we’d need to have specific evidence of that in a specific case. No blanket bans on consensual activity between consenting adults are legitimate.
One small thing that struck me hard in the original post: “Most liberals ascribe to a theory of paternalism – trying to protect people from themselves”. This is probably a US vs. NZ thing, but where I come from it’s the people who call themselves “liberals” who want to keep the government *out* of the bedroom. The people who want the government to decide which parts of whose bodies should be allowed to come into contact, to protect the deviant masses from themselves, are the “conservatives”!
… oh, and to answer the questions that you actually ASKED…
I don’t think SL has made me any more a fan of deviance than I already was; but it has given me great hope that the flexibility and freedom and safety of the virtual worlds will help spread tolerance and understanding, help to broaden our definitions of what is normal, and help us all to get to a post-bigotry world faster. One of the best predictors of whether or not someone approves of same-sex marriage is whether or not they know any same-sex married couples. If that extends into the virtual worlds, and I have no reason to think it won’t, the more those worlds help us get to know people with different tastes / genders / species / kinks, perhaps the kinder we will all be to each other.
/me blushes… thnx Dale =)
(btw Lands, extremely busy here, but not forgetting you!)
Dale, re “liberals”, it might help you understand how liberals reach the conclusions they do about sexual activities, if you remember the different styles of reasoning employed by the various political ideologies. For example, libertarians reason from rights, liberals reason from harm (and in turn, paternalism), and conservatives reason from religious tenets. Where that reasoning gets you is another (and equally important) question.
You still easily come across liberal arguments against activities like bondage, age-play and anything else that they decide may “harm” yourself or others (even if it actually doesn’t, or is consentual harm). Liberal feminist arguments anti-pornography are exceptionally common too. The liberal style of argument is very versatile and does not necessitate full sexual freedoms.
Conservatives use religious lines of reasoning to reach other conclusions about what sexual acts you may and may not take part in.
The only solid line of reasoning that leaves you free to do what you want to yourself and to other consenting adults, in your own home and bedroom, is libertarian.
And thank you btw, glad you’re enjoying the posts and discussions ^^
Your blog got a mention in the latest CAAN Newsletter and i quote
“And for those of you who play online this
article about sex and perversions on Second
Life might be of interest, and it ties in loosely
with recent moves by the feminazis to ban
the use of words such as “baby” and “daddy”
in sexual play as they consider that it
condones paedophilia, whereas all it really
shows is that some people can’t tell the
difference between fantasy and reality – an
emerging argument for those in favour of
extending the Scottish extreme porn law to
cover areas such as incest and conduct that
might be construed as such. (http://
landsendkorobase.wordpress.com/
2009/04/29/sexual-perversion-and-deviancein-
second-life/)”
Remember we are also tracking the adult changes at slapt.me
Thanks for letting me know! Looks like a good cause, I’m glad they found my post of interest